We talk about the complexities of washing our hands and our clothes, what constitutes “dirty”, and whether the gadgets out there will actually sanitise our things.
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We talk about the complexities of washing our hands and our clothes, what constitutes “dirty”, and whether the gadgets out there will actually sanitise our things.
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Georgie 0:08
And welcome back to another episode of Toast &. Roast. I’m your co host Geoff and as always, I’m joined with my co host, Georgie.
Hello.
Geoff 0:16
Pew pew pew. How’s it going?
Georgie 0:19
It’s going things are happening.
Geoff 0:21
It’s happening.
Georgie 0:22
In my life.
Geoff 0:22
You went out. Life what’s happening in your life? Tell us.
Georgie 0:26
Nick, Nick went to pick up some stuff from the dry cleaner. So he doesn’t always he’s I don’t think he’s ever taken anything to the dry cleaner, maybe one coat or something like that. But he was trying to get yellow stains out of his like light coloured shirts. And apparently, if you can’t like remove—
Geoff 0:45
What, what makes a yellow stain?
Georgie 0:48
Could be sweat could be deodorant, it could be a number of things just bodily like oils and stuff like—
Geoff 0:54
Oh.
Georgie 0:55
Yeah.
Geoff 0:55
So for for anyone wondering. I don’t wear any of these types of clothes. So I have no idea.
Georgie 1:01
You’re just like, I don’t have a business shirt. Everything is just black.
Geoff 1:05
What makes things yellow? I do, I do have some shirts where the colour has just like it’s like started getting a bit white ish.
Georgie 1:16
And it’s probably a similar—
Geoff 1:17
Not black anymore.
Georgie 1:18
I think it’s a similar thing like yeah, age of the garment plus bodily like, well, also, like, I guess, just a reminder, everybody, you should clean your neck in the shower. Sometimes it’s just like, so easy to do your limbs—
Geoff 1:31
People don’t clean their neck?
Georgie 1:32
Nah, it’s more like, you know how they go. Have you ever been told as a kid? That you need to clean behind your ears? Have you heard that one before?
Geoff 1:42
Yes.
Georgie 1:42
Yeah. That weirds me out.
Geoff 1:43
I get told now. What do you mean as a kid?
Georgie 1:45
By who? Who is this person telling you to clean behind—
Geoff 1:49
I mean like parents, I guess.
Georgie 1:53
Why do you get told now? As a—
Geoff 1:56
Because I mean, I don’t forget. I always forget.
Georgie 1:59
That’s so weird. Yeah.
Geoff 2:01
No, I wash there every now and then.
Georgie 2:03
Yeah, I mean even, okay, this is one that weirds me out a little bit because it actually feels like a lot of effort. But like, between your toes? Like, yeah, I put soap on my toes and on the bottoms of my feet. But I don’t like get in there unless I dedicate time to use like a brush to like scrub my toes or something.
Geoff 2:24
That’s really interesting. I just realised that I was doing that exact thing. Like a few, a few days, couple of weeks. And I just like it is now, now I just like massage the soap into like between them a little bit.
Georgie 2:38
Yeah.
Geoff 2:38
I don’t like dedicate too much time or anything to it.
Georgie 2:42
Yeah, I think every now and then I’m like, I need to put more effort into cleaning... my toes.
Geoff 2:49
It’s like when it’s like when they told us that we got to like wash your hands for 20 seconds.
Georgie 2:54
Yeah.
Geoff 2:54
And I’m like, people don’t wash their hands for 20 seconds?
Georgie 2:56
Oh see yeah. For me, that was normal. Like I always wash my hands on coming home. Oh, yeah, this, okay, this is this is a mind blowing thing that I learned recently. And I haven’t like, dived deep into looking about it, but looking at reading about it. But every time I come back home after just being out, I wash my hands. And then when I’m preparing food, and there’s different ingredients like there’s chopping vegetables versus like cracking an egg into the pan. I always want to wash my hands after each one of those steps because my hands just feel dirty. That’s what I think. But this video that I watched said, suggested that people who do that like almost compulsively have like, I don’t know if I want to call it a condition. But it’s like a characteristic called tactile avoidance. So it’s like you actually don’t like the feeling of something foreign on your hands and you just want to wipe or wash your hands afterwards. Like, you know how some people eat chips—
Geoff 3:59
Yeah, I don’t—
Georgie 3:59
Like fry fries, or like crisps. And they just brush their hands like this. And then they just they don’t—
Geoff 4:05
Oh my god.
Georgie 4:05
Like, have you ever watched people and—
Geoff 4:07
Yeah.
Georgie 4:07
Been like, why don’t you want to wash your hands? So yeah, apparently, it may not necessarily be just like a germaphobic kind of like, cleanliness thing. It might actually be that some people do not like the sensation of like textures, of different things or foreign things on their hands.
Geoff 4:23
Screw textures. I want everything smooth as fuuuck. Like yeah, maybe that’s really interesting. I feel like I don’t like cross contamination with stuff. Like if if there’s lots of like cooking and things like you, like you said, I tend to either give my hands a light wash. I used to, I think I soaped between a lot but yeah, I do usually just do a light wash? But that’s pretty interesting. Just the aversion to textures.
Georgie 4:57
Yeah.
Geoff 4:59
But I don’t I don’t think I do it for everything. Like after typing on my keyboard, I pick up a gaming controller. It doesn’t like, I don’t have to wash my hands in between those. The, only when it involves anything that’s going to go into your mouth, I suppose.
Georgie 5:15
Hmm.
Geoff 5:16
I might wash, wash hands.
Georgie 5:18
What about, remember we talked about the street wearing street clothes at home? And we were talking—
Geoff 5:24
Oh yeah.
Georgie 5:24
We were talking about like, whether you keep your clothes clean or the surface like the couch?
Geoff 5:30
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Georgie 5:31
So like if you’ve been outside—
Geoff 5:33
The, um—
Georgie 5:35
Do you feel like...?
Geoff 5:37
I think it’s, I think it’s easier. I think now, now I’ve been doing it for a while. I think it is much easier to keep your clothes clean just to rotate your clothes rather than keeping your surfaces clean.
Georgie 5:49
So like when you get home you just get changed into like, clothes you wear at home, that type of thing.
Geoff 5:54
Exactly.
Georgie 5:55
So when you touch your shoes, though, what’s your opinion on? Like if you touch and tie your shoe laces for example? Wait, I think you wear laceless shoes but anyway, like other shoes, do you like do you want to wash your hands? Do you feel like you need to wash your hands?
Geoff 6:08
After doing that? I don’t think so. It’s a bit of a gray area hey, cuz like I think your laces, I suppose because you have laces and they like flop about I guess it’s pretty bad.
Georgie 6:20
They feel dirty to me, like I feel like—
Geoff 6:22
They do feel dirty.
Georgie 6:23
Shoes are inherently dirty and if you’re touching the laces which are exposed to the elements outside, I’m like there’s dirt and shit on there.
Geoff 6:32
They do touch, they do touch stuff like well, they flop around?
Georgie 6:36
Yeah.
Geoff 6:36
I get that and then like, get touched the ground and probably touched other things as it flips around. So yeah, I would get I would get that but like when I lace my shoes, it’s usually I’m gonna go for like a walk or jog or something. Let’s be real, I don’t jog. But I have very purposeful jog, like running shoes that I don’t run in, but—
Georgie 6:57
(laughs) Exercise shoes.
Geoff 7:00
When I wear those shoes. I’m going out for a walk and then I come back and then I wash my hands. It’s not like—
Georgie 7:07
But you’ve been outside as well. So you’ve been outside regardless. Yeah, no I do this anyway.
Geoff 7:12
So yeah, you touch the laces but you’re already going outside and you’re already touching a bunch of other stuff maybe, so. Yeah, like come home and you start like touching your home stuff. I suppose that’s like, if you imagine like a green mist around your hand like one of those videos.
Georgie 7:29
(sniggers) Dyson.
Geoff 7:29
And every time you touch things it’s just—
Georgie 7:31
You know that Dyson?
Geoff 7:31
...like, green mist. Oh yeah the laser?
Georgie 7:34
Yeah the thing, whatever that product is.
Geoff 7:34
The beam that shows you all the dust on the floor?
Georgie 7:38
It’s just everywhere.
Geoff 7:39
Yeah.
Georgie 7:40
But that’s the reality.
Geoff 7:41
But just imagine it.
Georgie 7:42
Like you have, there’s germs everywhere. So what do you think about keys?
Geoff 7:48
I don’t have keys.
Georgie 7:49
Oh shit. Do you have like a—oh man. Okay.
Geoff 7:52
I have a keyless life.
Georgie 7:54
So I feel like keys are dirty.
Geoff 7:55
I have like a wallet with a card in it, that’s pretty much it that’s like the back of my wallet kind of touches sensors so generally I try not to touch the back of my wallet.
Georgie 8:04
Do you think your wallet sturdy?
Geoff 8:08
Yeah, it is because it magnetises the back of my phone and then I’m like, it goes on tables sometimes. Because no, it’s like you go outside and I’m I put my wallet on the back of my phone and then I put it on, on tables.
Georgie 8:23
On, on surfaces. Okay. Okay, so back into the era of cash—is cash dirty?
Geoff 8:28
Yeah.
Georgie 8:28
Yeah.
Geoff 8:30
Yeah, I actually like anytime I get cash I literally launder them.
Georgie 8:34
Wait—you launder the cash?
Geoff 8:37
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 8:37
Like you actually—
Geoff 8:37
Wash them under water.
Georgie 8:39
Fuck, no way.
Geoff 8:40
I soap the cash. Yeah, I soap that shit.
Georgie 8:43
What about coins?
Geoff 8:46
I don’t do that for coins. Coins go into like this box, this like this this like not really a container but like this box thing and then—
Georgie 8:54
Makeshift piggy bank.
Geoff 8:55
...it stays there. Yeah, it’s so I got this card. I got this divider thing like a centre console organiser thing for the car.
Georgie 9:05
Yeah.
Geoff 9:05
And it’s like, it’s like a square. It’s like a square bucket type thing. It’s got different dividers in it.
Georgie 9:10
Oh and you just chuck it in there.
Geoff 9:11
The thing is, it’s it’s the wrong size. It was the wrong size for my car and I was like, shit.
Georgie 9:17
Oh so now you are just using it at home?
Geoff 9:19
It’s a catch all you know with cards and receipts and coins and stuff in it and keys.
Georgie 9:25
So I just realised you literally just you you literally launder your money. You’re doing money laundering.
Geoff 9:33
Yeah, yeah. (laughs)
Georgie 9:35
Yeah, anyway, one of the dry cleaning thing.
Geoff 9:37
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 9:37
So Nick decided to try and take his shirts to the dry cleaner because apparently some good dry cleaners can kind of get those stains out of like light colorued clothing. Turns out it was successful. But I don’t know. We just picked them up and the results looks kind of good. Like he had these white plain white t shirts that were, they honestly looked kind of a yellow like generally all over, just a little bit yellow, and they looked more fresh. I think there was like the top edge of like the cola was still just a bit yellow. But better than like shit we could have tried at home, or that any of us would be bothered to try at home. But like speaking of white clothes, I know you don’t do white clothes. But you know, if I feel like so many people have this aversion to white clothing, like they just automatically go—
Geoff 10:23
Yeah, it’s beacuse you see your nipples underneath them.
Georgie 10:25
Woah, man.
Geoff 10:27
It’s really...
Georgie 10:29
Isn’t that the point? Nah. (laughs)
Geoff 10:32
It’s the point of white clothes.
Georgie 10:33
No, I mean the aversion to like, “Oh, I’m gonna spill like spaghetti on it” or something. Or coffee.
Geoff 10:39
Oh.
Georgie 10:39
And then it’s like—
Geoff 10:40
We already talking about this.
Georgie 10:41
Spaghetti? Like, very specific. Like you just, I don’t know, I think we have talked about this for a while I did wear a lot of white clothes, and I literally didn’t give a shit. Like, I don’t know, life is too short to worry. Like, I feel like people bring it upon themselves. They’re like, “I’m not gonna get a coffee while I’m wearing a white shirt because I’m gonna spill it on it”. Like the fact that you’re panicking about it. It’s manifestation. (laughs) I don’t believe in manifestation. I just think it’s hilarious.
Geoff 11:11
What’s the thing. Yeah, I was just talking about this recently, actually, where, ignore while I’m on the screen, but, but we were at um, I think I was talking to my coworkers, but generally when you get to like Chinese restaurants, people will inevitably wear some kind of light clothing, despite always getting something with XO sauce or like a sizzling plate.
Georgie 11:36
Wait, really?
Geoff 11:38
Undoubtedly gonna get it on your clothes at some stage. But I’ve always had like, people, like, family members always do that. They just always wear white. So yeah, so I got my custom suit.
Georgie 11:55
Yeah. What hang on wait, what kind of custom suit did you get? Because Nick got like, a made to measure one recently. So not like a fully custom. But like one that was kind of—
Geoff 12:06
Yeah?
Georgie 12:07
Yeah.
Geoff 12:08
Oh, I wonder how custom custom is, I think they do, they do made to measure like, they already have the shirt and then like, do the seams.
Yeah, that’s what Nick had—
Oh like tighten up the thing?
Georgie 12:18
So it’s like the size is already there. And then they kind of build it, that they’re kind of adjust it to fit you better, like, based on your measurements, but I think you can get them fully custom, like the entire fabric and everything is like done from scratch?
Geoff 12:33
Yeah. Oh my god, there’s red on red. What on earth? Okay, so I got the custom suit made and the, holy shit.
Georgie 12:43
So was it like fully custom?
Geoff 12:44
The shirt alone costs 135. So I think it was fully custom because what—I mean, I think they do a bit of both, like if they can get away with like, cust, like that’s just adjusting to fit. They would do that.
Georgie 12:55
Yeah.
Geoff 12:56
But for me, they had to redo my entire like pants.
Georgie 13:01
Oh yeah because they did something—
Geoff 13:02
Because—
Georgie 13:02
Yeah, it was too small?
Geoff 13:03
Oh no shirt, my shirt or something like that? The shirt was too small. So they have to remake because you obviously can’t just add fabric.
Georgie 13:10
Yeah, yeah, that’s the boo boo. Yeah. (laughs)
Geoff 13:13
Yeah, so what was the thing? I was I’m trying to look for the type of fabric that my shirt is, but it doesn’t tell me here. It’s some kind of like, no wrinkle fabric.
Georgie 13:31
Right?
Geoff 13:32
Something along those lines.
Georgie 13:32
Crease proof whatever something.
Geoff 13:34
Crease proof? Yeah. or and or non iron. Here we go, non iron shirts.
Georgie 13:41
You know what, I’m just imagining—
Geoff 13:41
That is the ticket.
Georgie 13:43
...someone like road testing this and getting the shirt just crumpling with their hands. (laughs) Crease proof? Are you sure?
Geoff 13:53
That’s what I’m gonna do. So yeah, I got this because they were like, Yeah, you could do all these other fabrics. But you would also get non iron shirt and that’s a real big—
Georgie 14:04
Do you own an iron at all?
Geoff 14:07
I do because my partner has things that she wants to iron. But yes, so I got a t shirt, a t shirt? A shirt, and it is non iron but I don’t know if it has any guarantees about the stains or whatever. And I honestly haven’t looked at the cleaning instructions for it because I haven’t actually worn it—
Georgie 14:31
Oh, that’s so funny.
Geoff 14:32
Yet, so it’s it’s now a suit gathering dust until—
Georgie 14:39
Until you need to—
Geoff 14:40
Such a time is required for a suit. But yes.
Georgie 14:46
I think you can, you can probably put it in the washing machine. I actually think—
Geoff 14:51
Probably.
Georgie 14:52
Most things that have this bullshit dry clean, I think we’ve talked about this before, most things that have this bullshit—
Geoff 14:57
Yeah.
Georgie 14:57
Dry clean only stuff is just because you could damage the garment if you wash it in water. But I’ve I’ve washed shit that says “dry clean only” and it’s been fine. Dry cleaning is so expensive.
Geoff 15:14
I used to go to the laun, laundry, I don’t even know what you call them anymore. I think I brought it up—
Georgie 15:25
Laundromat?
Geoff 15:25
...before but this place where there’s a person that launders your stuff. Not like a laundromat where it’s just a bunch of machines and you put coins into it.
Georgie 15:35
So is like a dry cleaner, but they actually wash it in the machine?
Geoff 15:39
They wash clothes like, so you give them a bunch of clothes.
Georgie 15:43
Ah, yep.
Geoff 15:43
And they’ll do whatever is necessary to clean them, like if it goes in the washing machine, it does, if they dry clean, they’ll dry clean it.
Georgie 15:49
Oh yeah, this place did it too because the guy said to Nick he said he said I did it normal, he said I did a wet wash, and then I did a dry clean on top of that. So it kind of he did it twice.
Geoff 16:00
Woah.
Georgie 16:00
To help remove the stains so they must have some kind of whatever, professional process.
Geoff 16:06
So yeah, I used to do that. Just like give them all your clothes. It comes back clean, and warm and dry. And then you just—
Georgie 16:14
Oh my god speaking of warm—
Geoff 16:15
Whack it on.
Georgie 16:16
When you wash your bedsheets do you put ever put them in the dryer just do, dry them naturally?
Geoff 16:24
No, I have to put them in the dryer because we actually have no space to—
Georgie 16:27
OK.
Geoff 16:29
Or rather we don’t have a stack of a rack that’s big enough to—
Georgie 16:32
OK yeah, we ended up putting ours on the chairs. Do you ever like get it out of the dryer—
Geoff 16:37
Oh, chairs...
Georgie 16:38
You’re like, oh shit. So warm... like out of the, straight out of the dryer.
Geoff 16:42
They’re always in the dryer for us. So yes.
Georgie 16:45
Yes.
Geoff 16:48
It is quite nice. And then you just walk us straight onto the bed.
Georgie 16:50
Yeah, and then you just lie there.
Geoff 16:53
There’s, there was a, there was a thing in Below Deck where they do laundry for the for the crew and the, and the guests. And then there was one point where one of the stewardesses they, their steam cleaner is on the end of a iron? I’ve no idea how that works. But—
Georgie 17:13
Is it attached to the iron?
Geoff 17:15
The iron basic... I don’t know it’s probably the bottom the bottom of the iron you can like—
Georgie 17:19
Yeah, I have of those.
Geoff 17:20
You can burst steam out the bottom, right?
Georgie 17:22
Yeah.
Geoff 17:23
But I don’t I think may have a different function for them to be able to, like actually steam clean something because I don’t think you can just blow steam at something and equals clean. Right?
Georgie 17:32
I, so I haven’t tried, oh wait, I’ve learned about this recently like because some people just recommend buying a steamer, like so even though some ions have a steam function, you can buy a separate handheld steamer. Some people recommend like steaming your clothes instead of washing them if you don’t want to wash them and you’ve worn like a couple of times because it actually apparently freshens your clothes. But it doesn’t go through—
Geoff 17:57
Right.
Georgie 17:58
Like a whole entire wash which can, not damage the clothes, but it can extend the life of your clothes if you decide to use a steamer in between washes because it kills bacteria—
Geoff 18:11
Interesting.
Georgie 18:11
...and stuff. I don’t know I don’t know if I buy this.
Geoff 18:16
It’s, it’s some kind of pseudo science where, so like—
Georgie 18:18
Heat.
Geoff 18:18
Heat equals clean.
Georgie 18:20
Yeah probably.
Geoff 18:21
Therefore, clothes clean. Actually there’s... (laughs) there’s an LG wardrobe.
Georgie 18:27
Oh my god I think I saw an ad for this—go on. Yeah,
Geoff 18:30
It’s so good.
Georgie 18:32
Is it, though?
Geoff 18:33
I have another story about it. But it’s funny it’s funny because like oh yeah, I saw an ad for this. Or I think it was one of the when it first got announced at some kind of consumer electronics CES consumer electronics something.
Georgie 18:46
Conference or something.
Geoff 18:47
Yeah, but like they got electronics trade show. Anyways, it’s where they announced a bunch of new innovations and things that you can, so you have a look around, anyways, one of the youtubers went around and found one of these where you hang your clothes in this closet, you close it and it will clean and sanitise ultraviolet light, all everything, your clothes. And there’s a water tank and a drain tank. Anyways.
Georgie 19:16
Looks like a refrigerator, by the way.
Geoff 19:19
Basically a refrigerator for your clothes. Yes. So let’s have a look at the, care for your clothes with the power of steam. It can move it around, steams refresh, vanish, vanquish odours with the power of steam. Is that it, just the power of steam? Reduce wrinkles and restore creases. Oh, you like, steam can flatten steam.
Georgie 19:44
That’s...
Geoff 19:44
Iron your—
Georgie 19:45
That’s sort of similar, it’s. okay, so okay, to be honest, I’ve been using a steam iron for probably the past like 10 years even when I lived with my parents we had a steam iron. So when I see a regular iron that’s just has no steam.
Geoff 19:57
What is a regular iron?
Georgie 19:59
Like it jsut doesn’t have the steam function. It’s just flat. Like—
Geoff 20:02
It’s just a hot, flat piece of metal.
Georgie 20:04
Yeah. And I just feel like they’re... inferior.
Geoff 20:10
Oh my god.
Georgie 20:10
...when I see them.
Geoff 20:11
I didn’t even know these things existed still.
Georgie 20:13
Okay, so...
Geoff 20:14
I honestly didn’t realise these still existed.
Georgie 20:16
You know when you go to a hotel.
Geoff 20:17
I thought everything was steam.
Georgie 20:18
And they have an iron in the hotel. It’s usually not got a steam function. Anyway, I like the steam function on my iron. And I’m like, What’s wrong with? What’s wrong with just using that? Why do I need a whole-ass wardrobe?
Geoff 20:32
Oh, it’s a dry iron.
Georgie 20:34
Oh is that what it’s called?
Geoff 20:35
So, yeah. I get—
Georgie 20:35
Yeah, dry iron.
Geoff 20:36
Yeah. That makes sense. Right. Well, I guess that makes sense that like in the, in the in the show, she was just like, using the steam function on the, on the iron and then it caught a part of the dress and then like, burned a little—
Georgie 20:52
What?!
Geoff 20:53
...bit of the dress and made like a triangle. No idea how it happened, just very incompetent.
Georgie 20:56
How did it get caught, that sounds like BS. That, surely was staged.
Geoff 21:02
And then she had to get she had to give it back to the, the guest and apologise profusely. And then there was another instance where there was just a pile of washing and the stewardess was like, I guess all of it goes in the washing machine. And then that’s like, the number one rule is sort of like, the default is not to put everything in the wash—
Georgie 21:25
Yeah.
Geoff 21:26
Default is to actually do the most delicate type of steam cleaning, wash whatever you can. But just threw everything in there—
Georgie 21:33
Separate the colours?
Geoff 21:33
Guests clothes were in there, was very controversial.
Georgie 21:37
You know, one time I put in a dark blue pair of like denim leggings with a white shirt. Just because I was a lazy asshole and the shirt came out blue. Like not even nice, like, “I’d accidentally dyed my shirt blue”, but it’s just blue splotches, and I was like, that was the dumbest risk ever. And this was like not long after I moved out and it’s like, I know. I know. I was just being stupid.
Geoff 22:05
My my jeans are still bleeding I think.
Georgie 22:07
The ones that, the blueish ones that just randomly—
Geoff 22:10
Yeah, the blueish ones. On my hands. They’re still blue-ing, blue-ing my hands I think.
Georgie 22:16
Terrible.
Geoff 22:18
Oh look, reduces reduce exposure to allergens with steam, or is it really just a steam closet?
Georgie 22:24
I think it is, like, look, there’s this plush toy that’s that’s being ad, like so you can put like, soft, whatever in there.
Geoff 22:31
Put random stuff in there.
Georgie 22:32
Pillows, it’s got.
Geoff 22:33
Yeah. That would be good, actually.
Georgie 22:35
Yeah, pillows. Yeah.
Geoff 22:36
I’d probably throw pillows in there because you can’t really wash the pillows I think. Or I’ve never tried. Oh, no.
Georgie 22:43
Ooh, yeah, one star, one star. Let’s read.
Geoff 22:46
“So disappointed with this product, instructions to connect Wi Fi so confusing. Can’t connect. Wrinkles in sleeves and back of jacket still there. Product promise so much deliver so little”.
Georgie 23:01
Damn.
Geoff 23:02
That’s scathing.
Georgie 23:02
Feel bad, feel bad for you mate.
Geoff 23:06
That’s like the most recent one, eleven months ago, the rest of them are like two years, two years.
Georgie 23:10
There must be another one. Is there another one star? Is there only one?
Geoff 23:14
There’s only one one star.
Georgie 23:15
Okay, so someone had a poor experience? So I would say this person had a poor experience with the Wi Fi, yeah, or whatever, connect thing. And then they were just disappointed. Maybe they they could have done the jacket again. And it would have been fine. I don’t know.
Geoff 23:28
Yeah.
Georgie 23:28
So it’s one of those ones that are not useful.
Geoff 23:30
I don’t know if it takes wrinkles out though. It doesn’t seem like—
Georgie 23:34
Reduce wrinkles.
Geoff 23:35
Steamed, refresh. It just says, yeah, reduce wrinkles and restore creases. So you know what, I think they just had high expectations.
Georgie 23:44
Restore creases, is like when you have the crease in your like, suit pants down the front, and you want to keep that like there. I think that’s what it means by restoring the crease, or like if you have pleated skirts or something like it will, yeah. I don’t think it means like—
Geoff 23:59
It’s pretty good.
Georgie 24:00
...get rid of the creases.
Geoff 24:03
Before we move on from this topic.
Georgie 24:04
Yeah.
Geoff 24:06
I’m thinking I’m thinking okay, so I look at the care instructions for an iPhone. Have you ever looked up the care instructions?
Georgie 24:14
No. Okay this should be interesting.
Geoff 24:16
Care instructions, iPhone 15 Pro. This is actually have been the care instructions since like the 12 Pro. The 15, 14, 13, 12, 11 models.
Georgie 24:26
Okay.
Geoff 24:27
So it’s been the care instructions for four years.
Georgie 24:30
Oh I see it, I see something that I did that says not to do.
Geoff 24:33
Yes, yes. Yes. So here we go. “Clean your iPhone immediately if it comes into contact with anything that might cause stains or other damage, for example, dirt, sand, makeup, soap, detergent”, everything that’s on your face, maybe. “Lotions, acidic foods”.
Georgie 24:50
Yeah, if you spill shit on it, yeah.
Geoff 24:51
“Unplug all cables”. I mean, that’s a given.
Georgie 24:55
Yeah.
Geoff 24:55
You should probably unplug your phone while you clean it. “Use a soft, slightly damp lint for A cloth. Avoid getting moisture in openings. Don’t use cleaning products unless following the instructions of disinfecting your phone”—we’ll get there—“and don’t use compressed air”.
Georgie 25:09
Oh shit.
Geoff 25:09
Which one did you do?
Georgie 25:10
I... I used compressed air? Because see this top part of the 15 Right? It’s got this little—
Geoff 25:17
Yeah.
Georgie 25:18
What is it? I don’t know.
Geoff 25:19
Yeah.
Georgie 25:19
It’s like a little—
Geoff 25:20
It’s an ear hole, it’s a slit.
Georgie 25:22
It’s like yeah, it is very like one millimetre to even less, I don’t know, thick and sometimes a tiny bit of like dirt, dust, whatever it gets in there, I can see it and I can’t just rub it off or blow it out with my breath. So I went and got the compressed air and I was just like [air whooshing sound] just to get, you know, not—
Geoff 25:40
I can’t believe you have compressed air.
Georgie 25:41
I bought it because—
Geoff 25:42
What is this compressed air for?
Georgie 25:44
What is it for? For—
Geoff 25:46
Yeah, what else is it for?
Georgie 25:47
Just for cleaning? So like on the keyboard—
Geoff 25:49
Oh, just for cleaning?
Georgie 25:52
It freaks me out actually.
Geoff 25:53
Oh, yeah, that’s true. Do that.
Georgie 25:54
It freaks me out because like so we all know Apple keyboards are kind of notorious for like, you can’t really remove the keys—whatever. When the dust gets under, it sucks. So yeah, I bought it to help get dust out from under my keyboard, the keys. But it freaks me out because it’s compressed air. Right, so, it’s kind of like dangerous—
Geoff 26:19
Explosive.
Georgie 26:20
Yeah, and you spray it a couple of times and then the can starts to get really cold, like really cold. And I think there’s a warning on it. Actually let’s, let’s read the the warning. “Do not use near open flame, heat sparks or any incandescent material. Do not use any sources of static charges. Should always be used on equipment that is turned off”. I’ve never really bothered to turn off my stuff like, I’m on a laptop, not gonna bother doing that. Probably should. “After use always allow fumes to thoroughly dry and evacuate before power is restored”. I can’t see fumes, so I just, I just continue to use—
Geoff 26:59
Shit, have you been turning, have you been doing this while your laptop’s on?
Georgie 27:03
Yeah, I have. (laughs) “Store in a cool, dry place. Do not expose to heat or store at temperatures above 50 degrees Celsius. Do not use while smoking. Product in liquid form may cause plastic to discolour”.
Geoff 27:17
Oh shit, well—
Georgie 27:18
And, like, “Do not shake can before or during use”. But it’s so tempting to shake it. I don’t know why.
Geoff 27:26
While you’re using it?
Georgie 27:27
What?
Geoff 27:28
Are you like [hissing sound] are you shaking it whilst you’re—
Georgie 27:30
No, no, I mean before using it, I feel like I have to shake it. So use can upright—
Geoff 27:34
Oh right? Yeah, that’s true.
Georgie 27:35
So you can only use it like this—
Geoff 27:36
Are we—
Georgie 27:37
Which means if you’ve got a laptop keyboard, you have to angle it—
Geoff 27:40
You got to, yeah.
Georgie 27:41
Angle it vertically, and then what, “remove tab above the nozzle, nozzle aim the nozzle, blow away dust, spray in three to four short bursts”. Now when I try to spray in three and four short bursts it doesn’t feel like it gets under and cleans everything properly. And then that’s when the can starts to get really like freakishly cold because I guess because the air is compressed it’s like freezing right? And then I’m like great, like it says three to four short bursts, when can I, when can I use it again before like something bad happens?
Geoff 28:10
(laughs) It’s the cool down period. But, so yeah, I I’ve been washing my phone under the tap because—
Georgie 28:19
Like, washing?
Geoff 28:20
Technically the phone is like IP 68.
Georgie 28:23
Water resistant.
Geoff 28:24
It can, it can withstand like a couple of feet in the in the water right. iPhone depth water. So it can it can be submerged up to like six meters for up to 30 minutes. So I just wash my phone in the sink. I just like hand soap, wash it, and then I read this.
Georgie 28:47
(laughs)
Geoff 28:47
(laughs) “Avoid getting moisture in the phone”. And I’m like, what? So I’m like, well every now and, like, after you finish washing your phone you can kind of like if you have any audio you can hear it like struggle through the water but you just like, you just you just like tap your phone or or you just let it dry.
Georgie 29:08
Yeah. Wait, what, I’m so confused because yes, it’s water resistant, but maybe means you shouldn’t get it into the peripherals maybe that’s what—
Geoff 29:17
Well it’s, what, you could submerge it for up to six metres, you can’t wash it under the sink?
Georgie 29:21
This is what I don’t understand about the submerging your device in water. What is, how long is it again for like how long?
Geoff 29:28
Thirty minutes.
Georgie 29:29
In how many metres?
Geoff 29:29
Thirty minutes. Six metres.
Georgie 29:32
So what if you were at the bottom of a pool, six metres I know there’s no probably likely to be no pools that deep, but—
Geoff 29:38
What’s, what’s six metres in feet?
Georgie 29:39
What happens on the thirty, what happens at thirty minutes and one second, is your phone a goner?
Geoff 29:45
19 feet 19 feet. So how I’ve understood waterproofing to work in iPhones from like, any phone really, from the tear downs is that they have this like glue, this water water proof—resist not water resistant. Yeah, probably water resistant glue. And then when they, when they glue everything down, it like creates a seal. So I’m assuming that the six metres is like the amount of water pressure‚ depth pressure that the seal can kind of, like, reliably like—
Georgie 30:16
Withstand?
Geoff 30:17
Prevent water from getting in.
Georgie 30:18
Yeah.
Geoff 30:19
And the length is, again, how long it can be like, I don’t know, not be dissolved by the water.
Georgie 30:27
I see.
Geoff 30:28
So water is probably getting in there, but it’s being repelled by this glue, or being stopped and then so just erodes.
Georgie 30:34
Right.
Geoff 30:35
If you just keep it under water.
Georgie 30:36
Like, it’s like—
Geoff 30:37
Yeah.
Georgie 30:38
Okay, that makes sense.
Geoff 30:39
So yeah, the deeper you go is the shorter length of time that you can probably stay under water.
Georgie 30:44
Interesting. Now I’m curious what the watch says for the cleaning instructions? Because—
Geoff 30:49
That’s also enough because I watched that one under the sink too.
Georgie 30:51
Yeah, but it’s, you can I think every watch, is it every watch or every Apple Watch—
Geoff 30:56
Yeah, most of the watch, you can—
Georgie 30:58
You can like shower or swim with them. Because they’re, they have they’re meant to be able to used in exercising.
Geoff 31:03
Yeah, cleaning instructions, Apple Watch... I never really looked it up.
Georgie 31:07
Then there’s the, what do you call it? There’s the water lock feature.
Geoff 31:11
Yes.
Georgie 31:12
Okay. So here’s the interesting—
Geoff 31:13
I rarely use that.
Georgie 31:13
OK. The interesting part I have is like, what if you forget to put the water lock on and you go for a shower or swim. But then afterwards you do the thing where it vibrates and it releases all of the water? Is that gonna be worse compared to if you had turned the water lock on before going for your swim? Like, you know, but then like—
Geoff 31:13
Yeah, I just did it. No water came out, but I’ve been washing my watch.
Georgie 31:44
Yeah.
Geoff 31:46
So so it says here right. So here’s the instructions for disinfecting your phone.
Georgie 31:50
Oh, okay.
Geoff 31:53
So I forgot about this, but you can use a 70% isopropyl alcohol wipe—
Georgie 31:57
Is that—
Geoff 31:57
This is—
Georgie 31:58
So I use Isocol.
Geoff 31:59
...screen cleaning wipes. Huh?
Georgie 32:02
I use this product called Isocol which I think is, is made, is that stuff.
Geoff 32:06
Isocol?
Georgie 32:07
I, S, O, C, O, L. No, not that. I, I, I, S, O. Yeah. Col.
Geoff 32:18
Isocol spray.
Georgie 32:19
Yeah, that shit.
Geoff 32:20
Rubbing alcohol.
Georgie 32:21
Is that the same stuff?
Geoff 32:25
(laughs) It’s just a bottle spinning for a loading screen.
Georgie 32:30
Rubbing alcohol.
Geoff 32:31
About. Rubbing alcohol, it is isopropyl alcohol at 64%. So it’s actually less than what you need. 75%.
Georgie 32:40
Mhmm.
Geoff 32:40
Yeah so alcohol whipe, wait, alcohol wipe, 75% alcohol wipe or Clorox Disinfecting Wipes, “you may gently wipe the exterior, don’t use products containing bleach, hydrogen peroxide, avoid getting moisture in any openings do not submerge your phone in any cleaning agents”. Imagine just like dropping your phone in a bucket of bleach.
Georgie 33:03
Oh my god that’s just like destroying it.
Geoff 33:05
So in any case, I this is actually different from when I last read I thought you can’t use any disinfecting wipes on your phone because it removes the the anti fingerprint material on the glass, so it actually takes away—
Georgie 33:22
I think it actually depends on the wipe, like some wipes like the ones that you just use to clean your kitchen counter I think are not made of that stuff like isopropyl alcohol.
Geoff 33:31
Oh.
Georgie 33:31
So that’s why like they have other shit in them.
Geoff 33:33
Maybe.
Georgie 33:34
So like if Dettol, you know those Dettol wipes things they just leave shit on your like—
Geoff 33:38
Yeah.
Georgie 33:39
They’re not pure alcohol or whatever.
Geoff 33:42
Here we go. So this Clorox Disinfecting Wipes, is it just made up of alco, like, isopropyl—any case, so all in all, I’ve doing this wrong. I got I just got my iPhone 15 Pro so I’m not doing any of this, and I have some isopropyl alcohol? I’m gonna go check its alcohol content but I could probably just spray my phone.
Georgie 34:11
Yeah.
Geoff 34:12
Or rather sprayed on a cloth and then wipe my phone.
Georgie 34:14
Yeah I just, I, that’s what I do with my phone screen I use that isocol stuff and I just wipe it when it’s like super dirty.
Geoff 34:21
Yeah, so the idea here is actually like so I went through all this and I was thinking I was reading this art, article and the article says something about the whole wiping off whatever protective cover on this glass screen is and one of the suggestions was of course the UV light box.
Georgie 34:42
What the heck, like as in like those light things that you use they also use in the nail salon?
Geoff 34:49
It’s kind of? I think so? So this is a UV sanitiser, it is a box.
Georgie 34:57
OK.
Geoff 34:57
You put the thing in the box, it lights up your, whatever that’s in the box with UV ray lights and it will clean, it will disinfect. So I’m like halfway between am I bothered? Now that I’m thinking about it, I already have the isopropyl alcohol so I probably won’t get this for a bit—
Georgie 35:18
What—
Geoff 35:18
But it’s an interesting option.
Georgie 35:20
But what’s the like, scientific evidence that UV sanitise—UV, yeah, these things work?
Geoff 35:25
Oh yeah, there’s lots of papers written about it actually.
Georgie 35:29
And?
Geoff 35:30
Sanitise, it, it works. It does.
Georgie 35:35
Right.
Geoff 35:36
Yeah. So from from a lot of you know, health, the health.com a lot of notable do not use ultraviolet wands. Are you trying to clean your food? That’s probably not a good idea. FDA testing. So I haven’t read too deep into but seems like most of the articles and stuff... Oh, the FDA is warning consumers about potential risk of injury associated with the use of certain brands of ultra—oh, certain brands, do not use ultraviolet wands for disinfecting use, it may expose the user or nearby person to unsafe levels. That’s why you have a box, everybody.
Georgie 36:16
Yeah, you don’t put your hand in it.
Geoff 36:17
You put it in the box, you close the box.
Georgie 36:19
You know, you’re not actually like exposed to the thing. But like on that topic like those those, you know, there’s manicure like nail salons, they have the little box where you put your fingers in to get your manicure cured.
Geoff 36:31
Yeah.
Georgie 36:32
Like there’s been like discussion around the, how doing that over an extended period of time is may not be good for you and you should consider actually like wearing sunscreen on your fingers when you get a manicure, but then like if you’re getting a full manicure, I think they’re gonna like wash it off any way. But yeah.
Geoff 36:49
Yeah, it’s it’s kind of interesting. I mean, it’s like a tanning booth. But for your phone. I don’t know what yatanning booths use.
Georgie 36:55
But it will disinfect it, but it won’t clean it, right? Like if you’ve got dirt on it, it’s not actually going to clean it. It’s just going to disinfect the phone.
Geoff 37:07
Yeah, so if you’re, if you’re really concerned about germs and stuff, then that’s it. And then you would have to use, you’d have to probably use a damp cloth to wipe off any anyways.
Georgie 37:19
With the isopropyl alcohol.
Geoff 37:20
Probably not isopropyl because it’s like you could clean it without using any—
Georgie 37:24
Oh yeah.
Geoff 37:25
Disinfect, disinfecting is using that.
Georgie 37:27
Oh yeah,
Geoff 37:28
I don’t know. Well, to be fair, if you think about it, now that I’ve gone through all the options, you’re already going to wipe it with a towel anyway. So you might as well just get some isopropyl alcohol and put on the towel and then wipe your phone instead of—
Georgie 37:41
Instead of using the—(laughs)
Geoff 37:41
Putting it inside a box for 10 minutes, and bringing it out and then wiping it again. So yeah, thanks everybody. So the watch.
Georgie 37:52
Alright.
Geoff 37:53
“Turn off your watch”. Oh shit.
Georgie 37:56
(laughs) I think you know, I think we need to start a club for people who try to clean the devices.
Geoff 38:03
Without reading the instructions?
Georgie 38:07
But like namely, not turning it off.
Geoff 38:09
...watch clean with non abrasive lint free, yeah, and mainly it’s like, Facebook group not turning off your phone whilst watching.
Georgie 38:15
I CBF turning my devices off before wiping.
Geoff 38:20
Yeah, soaps and other cleaning products shouldn’t be used.
Georgie 38:25
Oh okay.
Geoff 38:26
OK. Wow, clean and dry the Digital Crown, it’s different.
Georgie 38:29
Oh wow. Okay
Geoff 38:30
It’s the same thing. “Hold the crown under light running warm fresh water from the tap”.
Georgie 38:38
Oh wow. So you can put it under running water, they’re okay with that?
Geoff 38:42
Turn and press the crown continuously as water runs over.
Georgie 38:45
Oh.
Geoff 38:47
Oh. So you just keep pressing it up and down and pushes the water in and then like cleans up, oh.
Yeah because there’s like, there’s that little gap between... Yep. Okay, yeah.
Yeah.
Georgie 38:54
Did not know.
Geoff 38:56
No. Leather solo loops.
Georgie 38:58
Oh the bands. Yeah.
Geoff 39:00
The band. They all have individual ones. I’m thinking mine is just a solo sport loop. That’s it.
I’ve got the sport. one
I mean, I wash, I mean I wash it on, underwater I just chuck the whole thing underwater, soak it, then dry it.
Georgie 39:14
It’s literally silicone. Like it’s—
Geoff 39:16
Yeah.
Georgie 39:16
It’s like whatever is it I don’t know if it’s implant grade silicone or whatever but it’s like—
Geoff 39:22
(laughs) Implant grade?
Georgie 39:23
Yes. Yeah. Like—
Geoff 39:25
Don’t be cutting under your skin and shoving a watch band in there.
Georgie 39:27
Just like what that means is like it’s the kind of silicone that’s like safe to have like in your body, like I don’t know, I think like breast implants for example. Or like some kind of other implant I can’t recall any but it, that means it’s also safe.
Geoff 39:43
Yes.
Georgie 39:43
Just to be on your, in your, on your body.
Geoff 39:48
Yeah, food grade silicone.
Georgie 39:50
Oh, yeah, that too. Yeah, like, like some water, I think my water bottle is made of like food grade silicone.
Geoff 39:55
Oh, yeah.
Georgie 39:55
Because you’d want it to.
Geoff 39:56
My water bottle is also kind of, make grade, dishwasher safe, hotwater safe, can’t read it, but yeah.
Georgie 40:05
It can stand some shit.
Geoff 40:08
But I’m, I’m interested in this. Oh so basically what?
Georgie 40:13
Interested in this wardrobe... I can’t believe it.
Geoff 40:15
So what I did like for my background, I was looking for a nice, I mean, I was telling people about this at work and then I came across this picture of a, I don’t know where it is actually.
Georgie 40:28
Are you sold on this? Are you sold on this LG?
Geoff 40:31
This wardrobe, cleaning wardrobe thing? I think it’s kind of cool. I would, I wouldn’t mind having a fridge for my clothes.
Georgie 40:39
I actually think it’s ridiculous.
Geoff 40:42
Imagine if—it’s super ridiculous. But it’s ridiculous enough for me to say, hey, everybody, I’ve got this ridiculous thing. But I think if you just like swap out your clothes as you like, as you as you go about your day, then what, what if you didn’t have to? You just chucked your clothes in there. And then you brought them back out and then sat around your house, they’re clean? Although I don’t know if—
Georgie 41:05
I don’t think it can replace—I don’t think it can replace laundry.
Geoff 41:09
Swapping your clothes out.
Georgie 41:10
No, yeah I don’t—
Geoff 41:11
Yeah no it won’t replace laundry.
Georgie 41:12
Okay.
Geoff 41:13
But—
Georgie 41:14
Were you are you just trying to efficiently steam your clothes?
Geoff 41:17
(laughs) Yeah.
Georgie 41:17
Is that what you—oh, yeah. No, a hundred percent, I agree.
Geoff 41:22
When you get home, I don’t need to steam my clothes. Anyways.
Georgie 41:25
It does it for you.
Geoff 41:26
Wearing your out, you’re wearing you’re wearing outside clothes. And then you get home and you chuck your outside clothes in there for five minutes. And then you put them back on. Oh you may as well change clothes anyways, alright, nevermind.
Georgie 41:38
Yeah, but then at least. Yeah, okay.
Geoff 41:40
It’s a quick clean, you didn’t even get any shit on it, you didn’t get dumped, you didn’t get dirt dumped on you. You throw it in there. And it’s got some clean clothes.
Georgie 41:51
I can see. I can see. I’ll be useful, but it just looks like a stupid gimmick. Honestly.
Geoff 41:57
Maybe you don’t have to iron. Yeah, if you don’t have serious creases in your clothes.
Georgie 42:03
Well the thing is, I, my clothes mostly do not need ironing. It’s mostly like Nick’s clothes. I don’t know. Maybe I should ask him.
Geoff 42:10
Get Nick this wardrobe.
Georgie 42:12
Hey?
Geoff 42:12
$2,000 $2,000 Instead of going to a dry cleaner. Hey.
Georgie 42:16
Yeah, probably. And then I don’t have to iron. Yeah.
Geoff 42:20
Yeah. You know what, I don’t need this wardrobe. But it’s kinda cool. I like tech.
Georgie 42:28
Yeah. I think that’s the part that‘s getting you.
Geoff 42:31
Yeah. So I can’t find the image now. But what—and we’re over time, but so just quickly, so I was telling people about this wardrobe. And then I was like showing them pictures of the wardrobe. Because it looks just like a fridge in the middle of your wardrobe. And I basically took one of those pictures and turned it into a Zoom background. And now my like—
Georgie 42:50
Oh my god. Did people believe this or like?
Geoff 42:53
Well, the thing is, my chair covers the wardrobe so no, people don’t believe it’s at my actual apartment. I think the, I think the depth and the, and the—
Georgie 43:03
Scale?
Geoff 43:05
I dunno, it just looks very fake.
Georgie 43:06
Yeah.
Geoff 43:06
Yeah, there’s no scale to it. So yeah, now I have it as my background. Kitchen behind me. I might as well have a nice apartment. Well, it has an ovular mirror. And one of my colleagues was like, that doesn’t look like your kind of apartment.
Georgie 43:24
Why?
Geoff 43:25
I can’t, I can’t have an ovular mirror?
Georgie 43:28
It’s too—
Geoff 43:29
But we boiled the boiled it down to me being like very straight edge kind of liking person.
Georgie 43:35
(laughs)
Geoff 43:35
(laughs) Anyways, that’s all we have for this episode. Not that we prepared anything.
Georgie 43:47
Don’t tell them that.
Geoff 43:50
No, it’s all prepared, of course. So you can find us on, you can email, you can email us on the toastroastpod@gmail.com.
Georgie 44:03
Yes, email us please. And you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to your podcasts, and the big UV light box that’s supposed to clean your phone but you might as well wipe it with an isopropyl alcohol wipe.
Geoff 44:17
So really big. And new episodes every Monday.
Georgie 44:24
See you next week.
Geoff 44:26
Bye.